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Hey, cupply Fit fam.
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Welcome to another episode of the Cupply Fit podcast.
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Today we're going to be talking a little bit about our sports backgrounds and then also how sports correlates with success in business and also in marriage.
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This is a hot topic.
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I'm excited.
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Very exciting.
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Kurt and I, if you don't know, we both were athletes.
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Kurt was a high school All-American as well as a collegiate athlete as well Should have gone to the NFL if it wasn't for an injury, unfortunately.
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But we'll get a little bit more into that.
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Before we dive in, I want to give a few Fortune 500 executives who played sports.
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So first we have Mary Barra.
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She's the CEO of General Motors.
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She was in track and field, oh, wow, do you know what event Was she out there running the 400?
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I don't know.
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Okay, that's a good question, I don't know.
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Or a relay, a four by one.
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Intense.
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And one thing I love about track.
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It's an individual sport too Well, unless you're in a relay.
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But if you're in a relay but like you have to run your race, you do.
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And even if you run a relay, typically you run that individual event yourself as well.
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So it just you got to run your race, and business is so often running your race.
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Yes, we have Mark Cuban who, uh, the owner of the Dallas Mavericks I believe he's still majority owner he played basketball.
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Again, correlates with sports, but then also it seems like his passion as well, becoming an owner of the Dallas Mavericks.
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We also have Denise Morrison.
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She's the former CEO of Campbell Soup Company.
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She played field hockey.
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Come on now, Come on now If you've ever been hit with a field hockey stick respect, oh my gosh Respect.
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Then we have H Lee Scott, who was the former CEO of Walmart, and he played baseball.
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So this is also high school collegiate.
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But when I was looking up each one of these individuals and he played baseball, so this is also high school collegiate.
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But when I was looking up each one of these individuals, most of them did play in high school.
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And then we have Jane Frazier.
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She is the CEO of Citibank and she played tennis.
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So, depending on if you're playing singles or doubles, right Like that's a very individual, mentally challenging sport.
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And then this is going to be great for also correlating with your story roger goodell, the commissioner of the nfl.
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He played football and he's about six.
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What did we say?
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six, three, six, four tall cat, it's all got draft day johnny manziel roger goodell, roger goodell but to that point I mean I, as I think about that, it's such a good example for that person that was an athlete like us in high school, being able to think about what does life look like after sport.
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And you can go the Roger Goodell route of using your expert, your expertise and experience Mark Cuban and getting into the sport that you played, but on the business side, as a general manager or the owner of the team, which is amazing.
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But then also you can be an executive and use your experience, your, your attitudes, your grit, your motivation all of those things that made you great, good or great as an athlete to help you be an advantage in business.
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Yes, so now that we talked a little bit about Roger Goodell and how much he has played a role in football I believe he just renewed his contract for another 10 plus years Can you tell us a little bit more about your story with sports in general?
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But then also, I don't think a lot of people know that your first love was actually basketball.
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I had hoop dreams.
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Come on, you know know, back in the space jam days.
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I wanted to and I thought I was going to be taller.
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When I was 13 years old, I wore a size 13 shoe and I was like, oh no, I'm like, I'm gonna be like six two, six three.
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That still may not have been tall enough for basketball.
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Yes, like that's not quite tall enough.
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But um ai, I didn't have his shiftiness or quickness, did not?
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I was like a four or five, you know, power forward center, and they're like man, you're not gonna be tall enough.
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So the pivot, the football happened not center come on out there, out there in the post I remember being out there in the post come on and I'm playing for one of the top au teams in michigan and so we're in like middle school and there's guys that are like 6'5, dunking all types of stuff, and I'm out here playing center like they're towering over me and I was like, yeah, I need to take football a little bit more serious here.
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So football ended up being the path for me and me being like more physical and all of those things was a great spot to like, let out the aggression and those types of things, but also the, the commitment that it takes.
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I mean the grind, the working out pad, just all of it.
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It's not easy and I used to always see people that like would come out and like they wouldn't come back out next year, or some people would quit in, not having that mindset If there's so many correlations in both business and in marriage.
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And so football was the foot, was like the second love to basketball, but played, starting at seven years old, pop Warner all the way up through high school, becoming All-American College, and so just the journey, it was a part of life.
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So all I knew like my life surrounded around sport and so, like I didn't, I made a lot of sacrifices.
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I wasn't able to go to all the spring breaks, or you know all of the parties, all of the things because I knew that the priority was sports.
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You know school, obviously, but then also football was a big part of that.
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Yes, and if you can tell us a little bit more about.
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Also, you and I share an underdog mindset and so, if you can, either let me know where that first started or where I was thinking was your senior year of high school at Chandler High School, but I'm sure it probably happened before that.
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Actually, you did mention that a little bit and touched on it when you were saying that you were on one of the top AU teams in Detroit, but I think people don't know that it was a.
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Was it a 10 and up and you were seven.
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So it was the 10 and under team for the AAU team.
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But I was seven years old, so I'm three years younger than the guys on a team, and this is the number one team.
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So not only are they more advanced, I'm getting shoved around, I'm getting pushed down out there who are maybe some people on that team so people can get an idea.
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So people that so this is was the older group.
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But I just put it to you like this the team, like, as I got, older guys that played on the team were the big 10 player of the year at university of Michigan.
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Um, you know guys that went on to play in NCCA playoffs, guys that got drafted in the NFL and played college football and basketball, nba, so, like I mean, we're talking about the best of the best.
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We won, you know, different gold medals and things in AAU, so, but I was literally a bench player.
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So that underdog mentality I used to practice.
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Again, I'm practicing grinding all week.
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We get to the games and I'm not getting in unless we're up big.
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I'm talking about up big and as soon as I get the ball I'll shoot.
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Man, come on.
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I'm posted up in the corner and again I wasn't the tallest, so I was like man, if I get, come on hit a Ray Allen over on the baseline.
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Yeah, I didn't have.
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I wasn't as lean as Ray Allen.
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I said, hey, come on now, but shoot the three right.
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And so I said, definitely, shoot it when I got the ball.
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But to that point that's starting like they starting.
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They sitting at the front of the bench, they get the capri sun front of the bus.
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Come on, they get the capri suns first they get the orange, they get the best oranges.
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I'm like, yeah, why my orange?
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Kind of you know my orange a little rotten at the bottom.
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Um, so I had those experiences, but that was basketball.
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So I literally stayed on that team, though from seven years old until I was 15 years old with the Tri-County Cobras in Pontiac, michigan.
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So you're talking about eight years being a bench player.
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Like I never cracked the starting lineup Really, I never cracked like the eight deep, like I wasn't even in the second rotation.
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So that was that underdog where it started.
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And then football.
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I was having success in football, which was great, but then, you know, when I got to high school, there was a huge gap because I went to a top high school in Michigan at first, before moving to Arizona Catholic high school.
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The guy, like the two guys that were playing in front of me, one went to Northwestern on a full ride, the other one went to Ohio State on a full ride come on so I'm behind some guys that are really good, yes.
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And so that underdog mentality was like, yeah, he's young and promising, but he's got to wait his turn.
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So I had so many years of waiting that turn and then my family relocated and moved to Arizona, ended up transferring, got played out of position so I didn't actually start on varsity until my senior year of high school.
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Wow.
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So I'm sure people don't listen yeah, A lot of people don't know that I didn't start on varsity until my senior year of high school, which most people would have given up on getting a full ride or you know, expecting to get a scholarship.
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But I really had those goals and aspirations and wrote those things down and I was relentless in my pursuit and I can give a few examples of like things that I did to like make sure I achieve my goal.
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But I didn't just become all American.
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I was the only all American game participant that didn't have any scholarship offers when I played in the all American game.
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I got my offers after the all American game my senior year.
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So, like that underdog mentality was almost like you know, you're here at the draft but going undrafted was kind of how it felt at the All-American game, but I was a number one linebacker in the state, all of these things, but I only played the position for one year, so I had to really have an uphill climb.
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Yes.
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And then if you can dive a little bit deeper into your collegiate career, because you went to three universities, yeah Right, originally being having a scholarship to the University of Washington, and I also don't think that people realize the impact of coach coaching changes as well.
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You know you going from University of Washington, then to the HU Howard University in DC and then finishing your master's, thankfully, at the University of Akron, where you were able to have your fifth year, correct?
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Yes and great question.
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And because you're seeing it more and more, with NIL coaches changing in a college sports landscape where, like, people are making moves but it wasn't as common back when I was playing but people still did transfer.
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There was no portal.
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You had to sit out a year if you transferred.
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There were all of these rules in place that have now changed, but back at the time.
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So I'm All-American, signed to University of Washington, I'm super excited and I'm expected to play as a freshman and I actually graduated high school early.
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So graduated I was on campus at 17 years old.
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Get there, ended up having a knee injury that actually impact like could have really impacted my career.
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I had a trainer help me with that but the injury caused me to red shirt my second year coming back off the injury.
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But coaching change complete coaching staff changed twice.
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It's like they changed defensive coaches after my first year.
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They fired the entire staff after that, after that season, and brought a new head coach.
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But it changed.
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You know, one of the big things was at the University of Washington.
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It was both you were a true student athlete, like it was academics, and it was football and I was on the all academic team.
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New coaches came in, you know, and it wasn't as much of a priority on the academics.
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It was all about football.
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Like we're trying to go to if you're not trying to go to the league.
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Like what are you doing?
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If you're not trying to go to the league, what are you doing?
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Right.
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And so for me that was a challenge because I'm like I'm taking pre-law classes, I'm taking business classes, macro, microeconomics, I need a tutor, right, I need, like, what are you doing?
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And so my coach told me in my first meeting that he didn't like players from Michigan in our like introductory meeting with the new coach.
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I don't like guys from Michigan or Detroit.
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And, matter of fact, you know, I can see you tell, you know you're injured, you know you're dealing with an injury, you know I can see you just not getting reps and telling me you want to transfer and go somewhere else.
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I'm like, man, this is the first meeting Like how could this go any worse?
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This is the first meeting Like how could this go any worse?
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But it kind of set the tone and I it's not a regret, but something I do remember is being like you know what I felt, like I let him dictate my path a little bit of me ended up transferring.
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But I ended up transferring after my second year at Washington to Howard University, and so it was one double A, didn't have to sit out a year but went into that journey and, you know, was able to really be that student athlete different division, different level of football.
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So that was an adjustment big time but I was able to ball out.
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You know, be a team captain, be a star on the football team and then, once I graduated, I had an opportunity to play my fifth year.
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Get my master's back up at the D1 level at the University of Akron.
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Get my master's.
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I was team captain and defensive MVP and was selected to the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl, which I was the first player in like seven or eight years to play in a college all-star game at Akron.
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Yes, that's so exciting.
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I'm glad that you are telling more of your story, especially when it comes to the sports and the football side, and there's still some things that people don't know, ie your leg being, you know, literally fractured in half.
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So well, you know, that's another.
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When we talk about resilience and adversity, right, that's something there too.
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So I'm so glad that you shared that.
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Um, and then just a little bit background on my story.
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I was, honestly, because I had an older brother and I was really like a tomboy when I was younger.
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So I used to try you know, I'm following my brother around, seeing what he's doing, and he's playing football, he's playing wiffle ball, he's, you know, running and, um, that just prompted me.
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I was like, well, like I'm just gonna get out here with the guys, you know, see what I can do, and I not only did I keep up with them, but I also was, um, you know they would get very upset with me, push me down and, you know, uh, make fun of me and all of those things.
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But it really allowed me to build that resilience, for when I ended up, you know, I didn't start playing volleyball until I was in middle school, like actually playing.
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So a little bit of background.
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Both of my parents are collegiate athletes.
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They met in college.
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My mom was playing volleyball, my dad is playing football and track.
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So that mentality was literally in the fabric of our family.
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So that's why, also for me, health and wellness has been something that is just a part of me.
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I've been.
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You know, when we talk about swans, sleep, water, activity, nutrition, those are all the things that we were doing just in our family time.
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And so as I moved in, you know, seventh, eighth grade to playing volleyball, I was like, oh, I'm kind of good at this, like I was making a lot of you know, your school team's not that good, right, like kind of just anybody can play.
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And they're cleaning up at recess.
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No, we had a team like we had a team we're playing other.
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You know other other schools and you know I was coaches would come up to me afterwards and they were just saying, like giving me this praise and then going into high school, uh, my eighth, well, my eighth, eighth grade year I played for like AU, I guess we call it club.
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Out here in Arizona I was playing club volleyball so I was getting really good and I'm I'm there with I had to read a really good team and um, from there, you know, I got not big headed.
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But I, when I went to high school, I remember I was trying out for JV and varsity as a freshman because I was like, oh, I'm definitely gonna be on the varsity team for sure.
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And, interesting enough, the coach of varsity told me he said I'm going to put you on the JV team because your head's too big.
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And I just think that you know.
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Basically, you need to learn a lesson.
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That's kind of crazy.
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I don't mean to cut you off, but it's just crazy.
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You said that because the same exact thing happened to me.
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They said I'm not putting you on varsity as a freshman.
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They said you already think you're an upper class.
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I need you to humble yourself and I need you to focus on the classroom a little bit more.
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So I just it's crazy that that that that was an experience that we both shared.
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Yes, so, um, that happened my freshman year, but I'm you know I'm doing well, I'm dominating in that space.
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And then my sophomore year, I, interesting enough, I was misdiagnosed on my left knee.
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I had a, um, what do you call it?
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A lateral meniscus tear, which, if that's not taken care of, you're moving laterally, and so if you're not able to actually do that, then that's a big hindrance when it comes to volleyball.
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So, like I had to wear my mom's big, like when she tore her.
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ACL in college, and so she still had her knee brace.
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And I'm wearing this knee brace, cause that's the only thing.
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That was kind of like holding my knee to where I could make the lateral movements, and my sophomore year I wasn't able to try out because my knee was still injured.
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But I was just over on the sidelines Like I'm just playing, like I'm just setting.
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I'm just kind of playing around like you know, bouncing the ball, uh, or spiking the ball against the wall, and the varsity coach came over and she was like, hey, have you ever thought about setting, like being a setter?
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I was like, girl, no, I'm not a setter, I'm in the back row and I'm a hitter, like those are the two spots where I'm at.
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She's like I think that you can really, you know, be a?
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Um, a great value add to the team.
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So I said, okay, well, let's try it, man, when you again to your point of not doing something that you haven't done before, the extra work that has to go into it, and I'm learning something completely new, I've never done this position before and, um, I'm working overtime, I'm staying late, I'm, you know, we're studying, uh, with the coach after practice and before practice, and I'm really trying to.
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If I'm going to do something, I'm not only going to be good, but I'm going to be great at it, and so that was my mindset going into it.
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So my sophomore year, I ended up getting a starting position as setter, which was.
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I wasn't expecting that at all.
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And the question is that out of position for you Like is that?
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where you translate.
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I'm not tall enough.
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How?
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tall is it?
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How tall is the average setter?
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I mean, if you want to go d1, which is typically where I would want to go, you got to be probably at least six feet, pretty close to six feet.
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Yeah, just a few, just a few, just a few, um.
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And so that was something where I was playing at a position, but then I'm also playing club ball at the same time.
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Like in between and club I'm in the right position.
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So I was also dominating in club and it was a situation where I was always moved up, so like I'm 14 but playing 16s, I was 16 but playing 18.
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So I was always playing up, very similar to you, which brings a different type of mindset and resilience.
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And then my junior and senior year, I was starting to kind of like get some more awards and get some more recognition and those things I was getting, you know those initial letters of just interest.
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But then I didn't know what was wrong with my knee.
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So then when I finally got diagnosed with like you have a meniscus tear, you need to get surgery, I was like, oh shoot, I can't be out, like for my senior year.
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But I ended up after my senior year getting the surgery and, um, I wanted to play.
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Uh, I still want to play volleyball, cause I'm like I still have a little bit left in the tank.
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So that's why I went to a community college first so that I could, you know, try to play volleyball there.
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But then life hits and it's like um, if you want to live on your own, that costs money.
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If you want to have your own car, that costs money, money.
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So I had to transition to more so working, but I played even softball for a little bit.
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I ran track for a little bit basketball, tennis, wiffle ball, football, so like how many touchdowns did you have in the flag football?
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I had all four.
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In our powder puff game, I was the QB and I had all four of our touchdowns and the play was specifically called 08, because that's when we graduated from high school 08, 08.
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I was like, oh, I'm going to barrel, roll past these Because, again, I played with guys.
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So when you play with guys, you have to have a different type of even aggression too, right, like you can't.
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There's no crying in baseball, right, as the movie says.
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So it's interesting, because now we're going to go into a little bit of the lessons too, and I think, first and foremost, what we've talked about is we both played on team sports where, if it's tennis or if it's track in some cases, or those more solo sports, it's only you, and so when I hear like Serena and Venus Williams talking and they're talking about their mentality and the championship mentality it's you in your head.
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When you have a team sport, that's something where you have to be collaborative, you have to be open to communicating, you have to divide responsibilities, which is just like when you're in business, Right?
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And communication is so important, right, I mean you know you use the example of moving positions, but how you communicate to your teammates in different positions matter.
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The play calls that.
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I mean that was one of the things.
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Yes, to your point of like, I remember having different, even different, playbooks and having to learn playbooks fast and be ready to play and like knowing your material.
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But it's the same correlation in business and even in relationships or in marriage.
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Right On the business side, do you know your personnel, like who's on the team, who do I go to for what, how do I collaborate and what's going to bring the best out of my teammates?
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But then also, same thing on the home front, right, how well do I know my partner?
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What are not in a bad way, but in a good way what are the buttons, right, that I know I don't want to push these, but I know like these are the right things that can help me be supportive.
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And an interesting stat you mentioned the like how many people, even like yourself, right, where you are a high performing athlete but not getting that opportunity to play in college?
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70 percent of people that were surveyed said they would have played sports in college or gone pro if they didn't have an injury or a coach like the wrong coach.
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When they were in high school I had the wrong coach.
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That's seven out and an injury.
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You had both.
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I did Wrong coach and injury.
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She almost hated me actually.
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But talking about that, that's another example and I want you to even speak to that a little bit, about what that was like with your coach, because think about how similar that is.
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I'm sure people that are listening have had encounters with the boss or someone at work or you know what I mean.
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Maybe someone in the family, right, you get married and your spouse's, you know, uh, grandma or whoever may be conflicting.
